EQ pedals

[jakjar123]

Ok so, I'm probably starting to annoy some people
Before I make the final step and buy a pedal, I just wanted to ask about EQ pedals. This might be a really silly question. I have a Fender DR, it has no mids control. I have read that the DR mids are connected to bass and treble, so if you raise them, the amp will automatically raise mids. So if I set the controls neutral on the amp, can I EQ out the treble and bass and keep the mids? Or alternatively, can I just add more mids through the pedal, or will the sound start breaking up? It seems like an obvious question but I've seen people complaining that the DR doesn't have a mids control, and never have I seen someone say to just get an EQ pedal to fix it, they instead talked about really expensive modding to the amp to get an additional tone knob. But again, I want the amp to stay 100% clean, like it would on volume 3. Thanks for any answers

 

[AZBrahma]

Whirlwind Perfect Ten, and done.

 

[thunder58]

Ok so, I'm probably starting to annoy some people

Nope .... we're all friends here at Gretsh-Talk

 

[Robbie]

Genuine questions are never a bother. I’ve worked with lots of guitarists that use Deluxe Reverb amplifiers with EQ pedals. IMHO it is a very sensible way to go.

 

[jakjar123]

Nope .... we're all friends here at Gretsh-Talk

Yep, best guitar community for sure

Genuine questions are never a bother. I’ve worked with lots of guitarists that use Deluxe Reverb amplifiers with EQ pedals. IMHO it is a very sensible way to go.

Great thanks for the answer. That's my only knock on the DR, I want more mid range without more treble and I don't wanna drive it.

 

[rcboals]

Ok so, I'm probably starting to annoy some people
Before I make the final step and buy a pedal, I just wanted to ask about EQ pedals. This might be a really silly question. I have a Fender DR, it has no mids control. I have read that the DR mids are connected to bass and treble, so if you raise them, the amp will automatically raise mids. So if I set the controls neutral on the amp, can I EQ out the treble and bass and keep the mids? Or alternatively, can I just add more mids through the pedal, or will the sound start breaking up? It seems like an obvious question but I've seen people complaining that the DR doesn't have a mids control, and never have I seen someone say to just get an EQ pedal to fix it, they instead talked about really expensive modding to the amp to get an additional tone knob. But again, I want the amp to stay 100% clean, like it would on volume 3. Thanks for any answers

Not going to go into my story about how the Boss GE7 is on both my boards and why. Link to discussion below. Watch the video it is long but really covers a lot of ground on how versatile and amazing an EQ pedal can be.

https://www.gretsch-talk.com/threads/what-can-you-do-with-an-eq-pedal-like-boss-ge-7-a-lot.193168/

 

[Henry]

Source audio one looks cool if you don't mind digital.

 

[GlenP]

Danelectro Fish&chips is a decent budget alternative, but with a plastic housing, might survive okay if you take care with it, not sure if it would survive a world tour.

I think you have the right idea, you can set the amp clean at the level you want and then use EQ pedal to take out what you don’t want, not just for boosting, they also can cut.

 

[cielski]

In industrial audio, 1/3 octave EQs are standard equipment. For guitar 6 or 7 band EQs are fine. For small PA use, a 10 band is fine. EQs are the ultimate tone control. Each room you play in is different, and the EQ is the easiest way to tailor your sound to the room. There are plenty to choose from for your specific needs.

 

[swivel]

I used an EQ with my DR for a few years. Somehow I just dont seem to need it anymore. I also added a mid control to Fender amps a few times. It always ended up set at about 5 and I never used it either.
BUT, if for some reason your style needs more mids, just get the EQ pedal and try it out.

 

[Hammerhands]

The Boss SP-1 had a purpose after all.

They cost a lot of money now.

 

[Henry]

I should add I regularly use an eq and since I have an analog fetish use analog versions. I have the free the tone which works great but currently using the Automatone Preamp as an eq. I use a treble boost a lot of the time.

 

[14944]

Ok so, I'm probably starting to annoy some people
Before I make the final step and buy a pedal, I just wanted to ask about EQ pedals. This might be a really silly question. I have a Fender DR, it has no mids control. I have read that the DR mids are connected to bass and treble, so if you raise them, the amp will automatically raise mids. So if I set the controls neutral on the amp, can I EQ out the treble and bass and keep the mids? Or alternatively, can I just add more mids through the pedal, or will the sound start breaking up? It seems like an obvious question but I've seen people complaining that the DR doesn't have a mids control, and never have I seen someone say to just get an EQ pedal to fix it, they instead talked about really expensive modding to the amp to get an additional tone knob. But again, I want the amp to stay 100% clean, like it would on volume 3. Thanks for any answers

Depends on the specific EQ pedal.
This one, for example, does not alter gain and yes it can do everything you ask for, plus x100 more.

https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-six-band-eq/

 

[Ricochet]

I’m gassing for the Boss EQ200

 

[Gretschtim1]

Depends on the specific EQ pedal.
This one, for example, does not alter gain and yes it can do everything you ask for, plus x100 more.

https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-six-band-eq/

I've never heard of an EQ that doesn't alter gain when you boost a frequency. It has to because you are turning up the volume of what ever frequency you are boosting. Increased volume equals increased gain.
The reverse is true when you cut frequencies - it lowers gain.
I don't understand what you're meaning to say.
The only way you can boost a certain frequency without adding gain is to have an adjustable output knob that allows you to decrease the overall volume of the pedal which is very practical for studio and front of house but kind of defeats the purpose of a guitar/ amp EQ pedal.
Hyping certain frequencies is what most guys use an EQ pedal for in the first place.
Treble boosters do that very thing and are used by countless major guitarists.
They have a different effect on the sound than say the 5 band EQ on a Mesa Boogie amp because the boost is happening at the input - 1st stage preamp tube rather than farther down stream in the signal chain.

 

[Gretschtim1]

I’m gassing for the Boss EQ200

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Looks cool. That preset feature is a great idea.

 

[jakjar123]

I've never heard of an EQ that doesn't alter gain when you boost a frequency. It has to because you are turning up the volume of what ever frequency you are boosting. Increased volume equals increased gain.
The reverse is true when you cut frequencies - it lowers gain.
I don't understand what you're meaning to say.
The only way you can boost a certain frequency without adding gain is to have an adjustable output knob that allows you to decrease the overall volume of the pedal which is very practical for studio and front of house but kind of defeats the purpose of a guitar/ amp EQ pedal.
Hyping certain frequencies is what most guys use an EQ pedal for in the first place.
Treble boosters do that very thing and are used by countless major guitarists.
They have a different effect on the sound than say the 5 band EQ on a Mesa Boogie amp because the boost is happening at the input - 1 stage preamp tube rather than farther down stream in the signal chain.

Yeah, this is what I was thinking kind of. I guess if I keep the volume on the amp low, I will be able to boost the mids without driving the amp then. I was wondering if that's actually a reasonable way of doing it or if I would be trying to fight the amp too much and would essentially just kill off the sound or drive it. When I say clean, I actually mean clean and not broken up like many people do

 

[Gretschtim1]

Yeah, this is what I was thinking kind of. I guess if I keep the volume on the amp low, I will be able to boost the mids without driving the amp then. I was wondering if that's actually a reasonable way of doing it or if I would be trying to fight the amp too much and would essentially just kill off the sound or drive it. When I say clean, I actually mean clean and not broken up like many people do

A few db of boost at any frequency generally won't cause the amp to break up unless you are boosting frequencies that are already hyped by the amps treble and bass controls and circuit design. A little boost goes a long way. It's worth a try. You could start out by trying a cheap EQ pedal and if you like the results get a better one down the road. if you look at the picture of the Boss EQ-200 in the post by Ricochet you will see a level control which is the master volume out. That allows you to adjust the overall volume after the frequency boost or cut so you can EQ without changing the gain structure. The MXR 6 band and lots of other guitar EQ pedals don't have that feature mainly because most players want that extra boost. You also get a different sound by where you place the EQ pedal. A Deluxe Reverb amp doesn't have an effects loop but on amps that do if you put the EQ in the effects loop it creates a totally different sound than it does by going into the amp's input jack.

 

[jakjar123]

A few db of boost at any frequency generally won't cause the amp to break up unless you are boosting frequencies that are already hyped by the amps treble and bass controls and circuit design. A little boost goes a long way. It's worth a try. You could start out by trying a cheap EQ pedal and if you like the results get a better one down the road. if you look at the picture of the Boss EQ-200 in the post by Ricochet you will see a level control which is the master volume out. That allows you to adjust the overall volume after the frequency boost or cut so you can EQ without changing the gain structure. The MXR 6 band and lots of other guitar EQ pedals don't have that feature mainly because most players want that extra boost. You also get a different sound by where you place the EQ pedal. A Deluxe Reverb amp doesn't have an effects loop but on amps that do if you put the EQ in the effects loop it creates a totally different sound than it does by going into the amp's input jack.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, which is why I was asking specifically in terms of the DR
If the amp is designed in a way that the mid range is always held back, it might not sound good if I try to mess with that so I wanted to check if anyone tried doing that and what the results were.

 

[Jeff67]

Boss GE7

That's what I've always used. Does what I need it to.