String Suggestions for Vintage Archtop Acoustic?

LesB3

Synchromatic
Silver Member
Aug 17, 2021
585
Philadelphia, PA
On an archtop, I've always found flatwounds superior, particularly Thomastik-Infeld. I tried heavier than the .10s I always use on electric and Gypsy jazz guitars, and found I got all the extra fatness I needed from .11s. My fingers, anyway, can't do .12s or .13s.

I say try a bunch of things, and find your own preferences. I often string mine with Argentine GJ strings as an alternative when I want less smooth and more dynamic.

I like flatwounds on my archtops. Currently playing Rotosound rs200 12-52 .... get a lot of compliments on the sound and they are only $15

I use LaBella black flats lovely

Stupid question time: Are you using flats on purely acoustic archtops or ones that have a floating / neck pickup?
 

Seamus

Country Gent
Gold Supporting Member
Feb 25, 2011
1,384
New England
Stupid question time: Are you using flats on purely acoustic archtops or ones that have a floating / neck pickup?

In my case, both. I have them on a 1940ish Cromwell that is primarily played acoustic (I use a stick-on pickup otherwise), and a 1959 Hopf jazz. For whatever reason, the difference between flat and round is subtle on the Hopf, extremely pronounced on the Cromwell.
 

rockinstephen

Gretschie
Aug 3, 2008
103
So. Maine/Central Florida
I have an old archtop guitar. It has no truss rod or any kind of markings. About 15 years ago it was re-worked by a luthier and a Benedetto pickup was added in the neck position. I was told that it was a Regal, from the 1930's. The neck is like a baseball bat, but it has super low action. I don't keep it tuned to pitch because of its age. Right now, it's strung with D'Addario EJ 17 Phos Bronze, .013 - 056. Next time I might try a lighter gauge to put less stress on this antique.
 

afire

Friend of Fred
Feb 12, 2009
6,403
Where the action is!
Yes, yes, yes, if I could, I would go back and change the thread title to "String Suggestions for Vintage Archtop Acoustic" so that it was clear what I was looking for. I would normally agree with this:


...and this:


...but the intent was to ask about a particular type of acoustic guitar, one that I had *zero* experience with.
My answer was actually aimed at your intended query and then I started rambling. My point was the standard strings when these guitars were made were just regular steel roundwounds, which by my thinking makes them pretty suitable.
I'd like to get a bit more volume at the moment, it came strung with standard light acoustic strings.
I think volume is going to come more from gauge than type of string.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
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Jun 2, 2008
27,302
Tucson
They still should be in my book. I go back and forth with flats on guitars. They work on some, not on others. I'd only string a bass with flats.
I tend to agree. My Warwick and my Bass VI are both strung with flats.

With regards to guitars, I tend to favor flats, but I have several exceptions. My G6119-1959 has Thomastik Jazz Bebops, which are pure nickel round-core, round-wounds. They are tremendous sounding strings. I also use these on one of my Telecasters. I also have another Tele with a set of 9-46 Fender branded round-wounds. My Mustang bass has Fender branded round-wound strings, and sounds pretty decent.

On most of my guitars, I use Thomastik Jazz Swing, pure nickel, round-core, flat-wound strings. These are not particularly dead sounding strings, although the attack of the notes is different from round-wounds.
 

ToneM1

Gretschie
Mar 10, 2009
304
Oxnard/Ventura County Calif.
I would use either Pyramid round core Nickel Classics or Pyramid round core "Western Folk" (bronze). Pyramid's are made in Germany! They will last 5 times longer than any American made string!
 

Lee Erickson

Country Gent
Apr 20, 2009
1,205
Eagan, MN
For my acoustic guitars (Including the Gretsch G400), I use D'Addario EJ17 strings. Since they are Phos-Bronze, they are a too bright when new, but break in fairly soon and last forever. I like the heavier gages for acoustics because you can dig in and play louder with them.

Lee
 

LesB3

Synchromatic
Silver Member
Aug 17, 2021
585
Philadelphia, PA
I love Martin Retro monels on my old archtops, in whatever gauges feel good to you.

I have a pair of the Martin Retro Monels I'm going to have strung up on my May-Bell, which is currently at the luthiers. Can't wait to try them out.

I’m a Monel user as well - ‘39 Synchromatic and ‘53 Electro II.

The local shop didn't have Martin Monels (I *know* I bought them there before) so came home with a set of D'Addario Nickel Bronze's (13-56) instead. Never heard of them, but the guy said they were similar to the Monels I was looking for.

Volume is about the same as before, and they definitely have a "vintage character" to them. Cool sound, a little "plinky," but not exactly what I was going for.

Next up will be the ground wounds that @tartanphantom suggested... Truth be told, if UPS hadn't lost my package, I'd have those on there today instead.

I do appreciate all of the suggestions, thanks a bunch.
 

Maguchi

Gretschie
Aug 11, 2022
366
Lalaland
For those of you that play old synchromatic archtops, what sort of strings do you use? Just a set of standard acoustic strings (Martin, D'Addario, et al) or something special? I've been told that heavier strings (13's+) are supposed to be better, but have honestly never used them.

Suggestions?
Depends on if your playing acoustically or with pickups. And wether your playing solo or in a combo. I've used flatwounds quite a lot and loved 'em. Lately I've tried something different. I've been using GHS White Bronze strings. The alloy is designed to drive magnetic pickups and they're a little brighter than flatwounds. They're not too bright though. They cut through better in a band setting both acoustically or with pickups.

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wildeman

I Bleed Orange
May 10, 2015
16,598
norcal
Depends on if your playing acoustically or with pickups. And wether your playing solo or in a combo. I've used flatwounds quite a lot and loved 'em. Lately I've tried something different. I've been using GHS White Bronze strings. The alloy is designed to drive magnetic pickups and they're a little brighter than flatwounds. They're not too bright though. They cut through better in a band setting both acoustically or with pickups.

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Those are nice strings, a little hard to find around here
 

Maguchi

Gretschie
Aug 11, 2022
366
Lalaland

wildeman

I Bleed Orange
May 10, 2015
16,598
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GDP Refugee AndyJ

Electromatic
Jun 12, 2022
69
Bayfield, CO
I finally got my May-Bell back from the luthiers a week or so ago. The Martin Monels arent a particularly " Acoustic-y" string. They kind of respond similar to a pure nickel string on an electric archtop with Dynas. I personally like that. A big mistake is to try to get an acoustic archtop to sound like a flattop, which is understandable because that is what our ears are used to. But they're not a flattop and will never sound like one, so why not embrace and emphasize the difference. I am finding that's what the Monels do. That said, it still may not be everyone's cup-o-tea . . .and that is okay. Sound how you want to sound. :)
 
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Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
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Jun 2, 2008
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Tucson
I finally got my May-Bell back from the luthiers a week or so ago. The Martin Monels arent a particularly " Acoustic-y" string. They kind of respond similar to a pure nickel string on an electric archtop with Dynas. I personally like that. A big mistake is to try to get an acoustic archtop to sound like a flattop, which is understandable because that is what our ears are used to. But they're not a flattop and will never sound like one, so why not embrace and emphasize the difference. I am finding that's what the Monels do. That said, it still may not be everyone's cup-o-tea . . .and that is okay. Sound how you want to sound. :)
I’ve been playing for a long, long time, and I have owned precisely one flattop. I don’t know why, but from my earliest days, I wanted an archtop, and I’ve owned archtops more than any other type of guitars. I love the acoustic sound of an archtop. It’s not as jangly as the typical OOO-28, but there’s a different acoustic sound that can just drive the rhythm.
 

GDP Refugee AndyJ

Electromatic
Jun 12, 2022
69
Bayfield, CO
I’ve been playing for a long, long time, and I have owned precisely one flattop. I don’t know why, but from my earliest days, I wanted an archtop, and I’ve owned archtops more than any other type of guitars. I love the acoustic sound of an archtop. It’s not as jangly as the typical OOO-28, but there’s a different acoustic sound that can just drive the rhythm.
Tru dat!
 

Chet Harrison

Gretschie
Apr 27, 2020
361
USA
Most of the time my “educated” guess on what type/gauge strings will work best with a particular guitar is wrong… so, anyway, I’ll see myself out.
 

afire

Friend of Fred
Feb 12, 2009
6,403
Where the action is!
I’ve been playing for a long, long time, and I have owned precisely one flattop. I don’t know why, but from my earliest days, I wanted an archtop, and I’ve owned archtops more than any other type of guitars. I love the acoustic sound of an archtop. It’s not as jangly as the typical OOO-28, but there’s a different acoustic sound that can just drive the rhythm.
My first good acoustic was a 1940s Gibson L-7. I never should have let it go. For some reason over the three ensuing decades I've only bought flat tops and never really cared all that much for any of them. I'm not sure how it's just now dawning on my that maybe I need to try a nice archtop again. Also, maybe it was just that particular guitar, but that L-7 was never finicky about seasonal changes and every flattop I've ever owned has given me headaches.
 

Synchro

The artist formerly known as: Synchro
Staff member
Jun 2, 2008
27,302
Tucson
My first good acoustic was a 1940s Gibson L-7. I never should have let it go. For some reason over the three ensuing decades I've only bought flat tops and never really cared all that much for any of them. I'm not sure how it's just now dawning on my that maybe I need to try a nice archtop again. Also, maybe it was just that particular guitar, but that L-7 was never finicky about seasonal changes and every flattop I've ever owned has given me headaches.
IMO, archtops are much more stable. Flattops suffer a lot of problems with the tops, or the bridges.
 
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