Boss RC-5 Looper. Am I missing something ?

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
I'm pretty much retired from playing in bands these days and have recently got into using loopers as a way to beef things up when playing on my own. Takes practice but so long as you can count, sing, play and tap dance all at the same time.......you are golden.

I started with a Boss RC-1 and liked it well enough. It's a simple on the fly looper which is easy to control and does most of what I need but no rhythm track. I borrowed a Ditto looper but didn't think much of it compared to the Boss. Then I tried an RC-3 and found the inclusion of rhythm tracks to be a useful feature although the ones on the RC-3 are pretty limited. I added an FS-7 external control switch so I could set tempo and control start/stop/ scroll. Again tricky to start with but with time ....pretty good. I am able to play most of what I want so long as the rhythm track is turned down fairly low and sits in the background because they are little more than a glorified metronome really. There are some much more interesting rhythms in the pre-sets but in truth they aren't really any use to an old dog like me and are just there to fill the slots available.

So....a few weeks ago I did the review of the market and having had good success thought I would try a Boss RC-5, Boss latest and complex stomp box sized looper. Much more realistic drum kit sound, 99 pre-sets and ultra controllable...blah blah. I plugged it into my little rig and happily hit the 'Rhythm' button and the noise which erupted almost gave me a heart another attack. It takes me a while to find the right press then turn knob to calm the drummer down a bit so I plug my guitar in and HOWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLL !!. All of a sudden I'm going full Jimi Hendrix. Turns out the RC-5 is PRESET on every one of the 99 channels with the volume of both the loop and the rhythm at 100 and there is no global volume control. I don't know how high the volume goes but 100 is quite loud enough for me thank you. If like me you want to set up loops quickly on the fly at different volumes and drop them in and out then it looks like that is going to involve grovelling about on the floor pressing and holding then turning a little knob. Not great and totally impractical for how I have been working with my other loopers so far. This looper looks like it is designed for players who have pre-prepared loops or backing tracks with everything set up all fine and dandy before venturing out to play. It is a very powerful tool with lots of options but most of them don't seem to me to be accessible during live use. Unless you know something I don't ? I would like to hear any real world experience of this looper and how you get round the RC-5's obvious design flaw of having 2 pre-set volumes that are mega-fiddly to change and no global volume control. I will put some time in and get to know the thing in detail then pre-prepare some nice loops but I doubt I would use them live because thats just a step too far towards karaoke for this old dog. As it stands I will probably sell this one as it is just not suitable for the way I play. Shame. IMG_9301.jpeg
 

Synchro

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It doesn’t sound like a lot of fun. I have an RC 3, and it’s pretty good, but it took a while to learn. While there are better drum effects, I find the RC 3 at least adequate. If you are within 45 days of having taken delivery, maybe you can send it back.
 

Ricochet

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I’m not familiar with the RC5(I’m still on RC2) but it sounds like a very untypical issue for a Boss pedal.

Just thinking out loud. If it’s on “100” is there a chance the pedal thinks(or has been made to think) you have an Expression pedal plugged in?
No global volume setting but surely Loops and Rhythms have separate controls for volume?
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
It doesn’t sound like a lot of fun. I have an RC 3, and it’s pretty good, but it took a while to learn. While there are better drum effects, I find the RC 3 at least adequate. If you are within 45 days of having taken delivery, maybe you can send it back.
I guess there is so much functionality inside the thing that it is going to take a while to work it all out and some of the design decisions will suit some players applications more than others. So far it seems to be a long way from the intuitive feel of the RC-3 which I know well and like a lot. Agree the drum effects on the RC-3 are basic. FWIW The drum options on the RC-5 are very, very good indeed..if a bit fiddly to set up.

Sadly I did my usual trick of buy it, put it on one side and actually engage with it after a few months so the return options isn't available any more. They make good money on the used market so no drama really.
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
I’m not familiar with the RC5(I’m still on RC2) but it sounds like a very untypical issue for a Boss pedal.

Just thinking out loud. If it’s on “100” is there a chance the pedal thinks(or has been made to think) you have an Expression pedal plugged in?
No global volume setting but surely Loops and Rhythms have separate controls for volume?
Thx for your thoughts. The 100 volume is factory set for reasons which I cannot fathom. There are separate volume controls for loop and rhythm but they are rather buried in the guts of the thing and require a push then turn of the main control knob for the loop and hold the rhythm on / off button down for 2 sec, then push the main control knob and turn volume to suit for the rhythm section. All a bit of a faff and not really something you can do on the fly. For my use a definite design flaw and very unlike Boss I agree. FWIW I have found that it is possible to set volumes of loop and rhythm at something reasonable for Memory 1 then copy that info to Memory 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 then 6 etc etc all the way to 99 if you have the patience. It's tedious but it's a fix if you want the relative volumes the same in every case or can remember which loops have the right volume mix if you preset a range of values. This should give me a workable solution but it isn't as flexible or indeed as good as a simple couple of volume knobs. 'May God save us from the Innovators', said the old guy with the white beard and the Gretsch guitar.

After a couple of sessions playing with the unit I'm tending to think that the range, flexibility and quality of the drum tracks available are in fact so good that it is worth persevering with the unit. It will require careful prep for live use but compared to the RC-3 the rhythm options are in another world. There's a really tiny drummer in there and he's currently doing some swing rhythms in 12/8 better than any sober drummer I ever played with and he shuts up when I tell him. Great.
 

Pops

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May 23, 2022
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Reviews agree it’s quite loud. I’d put another pedal in the chain to act as an attenuator.

Like this one:
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
I have a Trio that I really dig for the drums and bass tracks, the Trio+ has looper,,, to offer up options.
Nice idea. I haven't checked out the Trio but have seen some interesting demos. If I can get hold on one to play with it might offer a neat solution.....drum and bass from the Trio and loop using one of my growing collection of Boss loopers. They seem pretty pricey so not sure I would buy one to experiment with tbh.
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
Reviews agree it’s quite loud. I’d put another pedal in the chain to act as an attenuator.

Like this one:

That would work for loops where the volume of loop and rhythm are equivalent but I want to be able to adjust both independently which may not be possible. A useful suggestion and I will set up a rig with one to play around with once I get to grips with the various rhythm options.
 

swivel

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I tried Boss loopers and immediately went back to the basic Dittos. I found the Boss impossible to control in a live situation live.
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
I tried Boss loopers and immediately went back to the basic Dittos. I found the Boss impossible to control in a live situation
I had a Ditto X2 for a while but really didn’t care for it. YMMV The Boss RC1 and RC3 are fine live but the RC5 seems to have so much functionality which is impossible to control in a gig situation. Fine for pre-prepared loops and backing track control but on the fly use….not really if you want rhythm backing.
 

General_Lee

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Apr 23, 2022
567
Manitoba, Canada
First looper I tried was the RC5. Overkill and over complicated for what I was wanting to do. Did some net research and found the DITTO was much more tuned to my needs. Picked up a used one and have been completely satisfied, both for studio and live use. If I need more, I just create a backing track in my DAW...
 

Hammerhands

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Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
Thanks for your various comments and thoughts. The stupid loud volume out of the box is just how it comes but I have a work round. Tedious but effective. I really like the rhythm options with lots of patterns, programmable time sig and tempo and it sounds very good. A big step up from the RC3. The vast amount of functionality means the menu system has to be complex and arcane. Just how it is. Used as a simple looper with quality rhythm option I think I like it but I’m probably asking too much of a simple stomp box. Setting up a range of rhythms isn’t going to happen in a live situation. They have to be pre-loaded. A shame but true all the same.

Where I come to grief is trying to set up 2 loops on the fly and toggle between them as verse and chorus backings. Seems that may be beyond it even with external control switches.
 

Hammerhands

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Aug 26, 2011
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If you were to start with a blank slot, say loop 05, and go in and set the rhythm and loop levels before you start, can you save that and then copy those settings to loop 06, 07, 08, etc. before you record anything?
 

Falconetti

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Sep 18, 2012
645
Bagsville, Oxford UK
If you were to start with a blank slot, say loop 05, and go in and set the rhythm and loop levels before you start, can you save that and then copy those settings to loop 06, 07, 08, etc. before you record anything?
Yes you can. In essence this is the fix for the volume pre-set problem. After extensive practice i can now use loop 1 as verse and toggle to loop 2 with an fs7 foot switch for chorus. Only works one way and you can’t go back to loop 1 with the foot switch sadly.
 

Seamus

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Feb 25, 2011
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I tried Boss loopers and immediately went back to the basic Dittos. I found the Boss impossible to control in a live situation live.

Ditto. :)

I have an RC-2, and I think loopers are the one area where Boss has largely failed. It's all too complex. Except for the DD-20, which I love. If they just bumped that up to a 60-second version, that's all I'd ever need.
 

dswo

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Apr 8, 2017
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East Carolina
I have found that it is possible to set volumes of loop and rhythm at something reasonable for Memory 1 then copy that info to Memory 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 then 6 etc etc all the way to 99 if you have the patience. It's tedious but it's a fix if you want the relative volumes the same in every case or can remember which loops have the right volume mix if you preset a range of values.

I've done the same with my RC-5: set up preset 01 the way I like and save that.

I agree that this is a design flaw: there should be a global rhythm volume, and it should default to a usable value.
 


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